I know this is stupid but...

[TheFD]

Well, in my opinion, this sounds cool for the most part, FURTHERMORE:

I don't care what we name this extra difficulty, but "Challenging" doesn't seem epic enough. It should be something funny, like "Epic/Oshit/Wtf."

The charts should be 4-key, unless 6-key is implemented and an "Ofuc" difficulty can be unlocked through the goals of the solo charts.

I think specific goals should be implemented; some could be AAA all difficulties, some could be AAA Easy, FC Medium, and 95% Hard, etc.

Not recording the scores for these "Ofuc" charts is wise; my vote goes for them being an extra, and I think big SP rewards should be involved.

We need 6-key. It's not too much work, and if it is, it's worth it. I think one Solo chart for each song is a good idea, and if the programming won't allow it, we should make another place for it (e.g. http://www.thirdstyle.com/play/6key). Just read Noc's concerns about this, let's make them all on the harder side? or not, I don't see the major problem, and since not a lot of people will be stepping them, we won't need many judges. Shit, Mike can judge them all.

[AsphyxZero]

Yeah it would be good for us, but yeah we're not going back and restepping songs, I think if we procedd with 6-key, we'll need a large group of those willing to step 6-key. Would 6-key still have 4 difficulties? Who's gonna judge 6-key files? Most of our "batch" judges are not too great with 6-key, judging would be slightly skewed.

Personally, I'm up for going back to step existing files for 6key. A lot of people know that I'm good at solo (I'd go as far to say that I'm better at solo than I am at singles rofl).
Yes, 6key should have at least 3 difficulties. It's just as easy to step beginner files for 6key, if you still take into account the 3 nps factor (or was it 2 nps, whatever). I would judge for 6key files, definitely. I've judged for multiple packs, and even though I'm not a top-tier solo player (like LG, 0, etc), I know what a fun file is and what's not.

I have an idea now. Expect a 6key file from me soon.

[SkRAWRk]

Beginner is 2NPS or lower, although 3 for 6-key sounds good just because it relates to the number of 'columns'. But hey, if they want 2, whatever. xD

[cheezpuffs]

wow... I never thought one of my ideas would have such good feedback... thanks all! :D

[DTDsphere]

wow... I never thought one of my ideas would have such good feedback... thanks all! :D

6-key is currently playable in the stepcloud, but it's only 1 chart, and I don't have access to it.

[DefTeaMachine]

6-key is currently playable in the stepcloud, but it's only 1 chart, and I don't have access to it.

boohoo

anyways here's my opinion:

6-key would be a good idea, but instead of it being its own difficulty try this:
indentHow about a having an option somewhere in the ThirdStyle game window, preferably at the top of the screen, where you can set your game mode to either 4-key or 6-key? This will allow for minimal clusterf*ck when selecting your song difficulties. When on the 6-key playmode a new list of songs open up, solving the problem of going back and restepping everything for solo mode. Now I'm not saying to make sure no song is on both modes, but the modes should have songs unique to themselves. Also, when having a Select Your Style menu it could possibly open up new game types. What these are idk, maybe like going all SM and putting Dance, Pump, Solo, Onigiri ect. in that menu. I doubt pump and especially onigiri (that was a joke. for those of you that don't know: http://eucaly.net/~iso50/flash.html ) will ever be encorporated into the game, but you never know. Now when a solo or possible other mode is submitted it should still have all the difficulties that the normal game type has. I would also like for Solo to have its own ranking system, but ya know whatever.

And I really prefer Pump to Solo, but I think Solo would be a better addition to the game anyways just because of the simularities between solo and dance than pump and dance. In fact, I can't play solo charts at all, but whatevs. In any case, I would like to see Multiplayer incorporated before alternate game types, but things will go in whatever order they go in, and I won't complain about it. Much.

[AsphyxZero]

6key would be the best choice for a second gameplay.
1) people have been making files for solo since '06-'07
2) people have been playing solo since '06-'07
3) 5 is an odd number (this makes sense)

Yeah, having a separate scoreboard for 6key files would be awesome. That way, people who want to play only 4key can stick to 4key, and people who want to play only 6key can stick to 6key.
A main reason that I would go back to step songs that are already in-game is because they are familiar to existing players. And so people have even more choices (do I want to play Kidney Stone 4key or 6key today... hmmmm).

[DefTeaMachine]

however, the ranking board thing might have consequence for how your overall rank. (like my archlord) How would this work? If I weren't to play solo and enough people do play solo, would my rank go down because of it? Would there be 2 rankings on my userpage? Or would solo not be ranked at all, which would for many people woudnt have much motivation to play the solo game style. People are like this, hell if it wasn't for the ranking system on this website i'd be playing Stepmania right now.

[Nocturne]

A ranking system conjoined with the current 4-Key would not only be discouraging to those new to Solo, but it would be forcing them to play it to maintain their ranks. I.E. horrible idea. A separate system, however, might be a little better, feasibility wise, not sure how clean that would look on one's profile, would get cluttered and stuff.

[cheezpuffs]

i think we're focusing on 6-key more than my idea at the start: a new difficulty! XD
keep on track guys! XD

[AsphyxZero]

There's a way to combat that. Not entirely sure how feasible this would be, and I know it would take a while to get all of it coded. But while this all gets coded, we could stockpile 6-key files and work more on multiplayer.

Make extra links on profiles.
For example, my stats for hard songs can be found here. http://thirdstyle.com/profile/Asphyx...vel_stats/hard
Adding extra pages for each difficulty (/level_stats/hard_6key or something like that) and changing the text on profiles that say "Level High Scores" to "4-Key Level High Scores." Then add an extra one right below that section that says "6-Key Level High Scores."

For each of the latest stats pages, make an extra column named "Game Mode." That column will have either 4-Key or 6-Key.

For "Overall Statistics," make a button that actively switches the stats from 4-Key to 6-Key (again, I don't know if this part is possible).

I'm thinking that 2 ranks on profiles would be the best plan. Whether each ranking system uses different names or not, I don't know.

[cheezpuffs]

The discussion on 6-key has now moved here!

[RubberChickin]

Don't worry guys. We will get 6-key after isk implements the multiplayer. Should be any day now :D

[cheezpuffs]

neat! Steppers step yourselves off!

[Nocturne]

As for the difficulty, I've said all i needed to, I'd like some admin input for it. But also, I'm thinking to make it fair, we even go as far as to make the unlock trigger for "Challenge" be just to Full combo all difficulties. Or if that's still too hard, make it Pass all difficulties.

[eiddiM]

Yes encourage people to step shitty charts.

Great idea!


As long as they weren't absolute[ly] [stupid] dumps I see this working.

[DefTeaMachine]

Tricky's song challenge. AAA all difficulties on song. or maybe fail beginner...

[SkRAWRk]

If we implemented Challenge, since everyone seems to want lucrative SP rewards, the Challenge shouldn't be in unlocking the file, but in playing it. I think a tighter life setting would be good for a "Challenge" difficulty, or else you won't have much trouble passing the charts and whoring SP.