Twinkle Star from F-777 on ThirdStyle!

[kisler]

Today's song will be familiar to many people. Over the years, musicians have tried creating their own variations of the well-known tune "Ah! vous dirai-je, Maman," to which the lyrics of Twinkle Twinkle Little Star (or the English alphabet) are sung. Hey, even Mozart did it.

Even so, Newgrounds artist F-777 did not remix this familiar tune by choice; instead, a friend of his dared him to make Twinkle Star. This is a speedy dance song, at 170bpm, and includes a bunch of 32nd rolls and rhythmic jacks - see for yourself. ichliebekase dedicates this stepfile to her daughter Jaselynn.

So, go buy Twinkle Star! It costs 125 StylePoints in the store. However, the ever vigilant tebukuro managed to grab the song while it accidentally cost nothing at all. Nice...job?

[SkRAWRk]

Man, tebukuro's speed is ridiculous.

Also, wow, this file is in-game now. Totally not looking forward to BS'ing those jacks. xD

[Jonny]

Man, tebukuro's speed is ridiculous.

Also, wow, this file is in-game now. Totally not looking forward to BS'ing those jacks. xD

yeah, apparently songs that are sent to tiza are in game befor those songs that are actually reviewed/accepted on the forums nowerdays. i guess i know where il be sending my files too from now on.

[Halogen-]

Don't spam Tiza with a ton of files, he'll feel less inclined to look at them.

Also: SPINROLL RAGE and temp rank 1, lol

[Zero]

yeah, apparently songs that are sent to tiza are in game befor those songs that are actually reviewed/accepted on the forums nowerdays. i guess i know where il be sending my files too from now on.

This is true, whats the point of having a system established and not have it used... I know the simfilers (myself included) do not have much time to review, and lets be honest the 4 of us (Sara, Shaun, Aj and myself) who do the most reviews are not going to be in the mood sometimes to review a file whenever it is sent in. The system at the moment is broken since sending everything to Tiza is simply cutting out the middle man, the reviewers. Though this is probably not a good place to discuss this

edit: forgot aj

[Nocturne]

This is true, whats the point of having a system established and not have it used... I know the simfilers (myself included) do not have much time to review, and lets be honest the 4 of us (Sara, Shaun, Aj and myself) who do the most reviews are not going to be in the mood sometimes to review a file whenever it is sent in. The system at the moment is broken since sending everything to Tiza is simply cutting out the middle man, the reviewers. Though this is probably not a good place to discuss this

edit: forgot aj

Make Stepcloud availible for public play and "like/dislike"

[Halogen-]

I haven't been around TS much and I apologize for that, but that will start changing, haha. It's a bit more overwhelming to go into detail on files when it's four difficulties per song - I was keeping up for a bit and then I fell behind and that was it. :(

February will be a different story, though.

[Jonny]

I haven't been around TS much and I apologize for that, but that will start changing, haha. It's a bit more overwhelming to go into detail on files when it's four difficulties per song - I was keeping up for a bit and then I fell behind and that was it. :(

February will be a different story, though.

detail for hard should be enough, and then maby a play through of each other difficulty. if those files are terrible on play through, then u can mention it :p

[Halogen-]

Quality control is important for all difficulties - while our active community might be frequently playing hard charts, a lot of our unspoken for players are dabbling in the medium and lower difficulties.

Every difficulty should have attention paid to it.

[Vote4Nixon]

This is true, whats the point of having a system established and not have it used... I know the simfilers (myself included) do not have much time to review, and lets be honest the 4 of us (Sara, Shaun, Aj and myself) who do the most reviews are not going to be in the mood sometimes to review a file whenever it is sent in. The system at the moment is broken since sending everything to Tiza is simply cutting out the middle man, the reviewers. Though this is probably not a good place to discuss this

edit: forgot aj

cmon guy, I ALWAYS ask about JOPNN MEs that are ready to go before adding them in game, and I only take files that you guys declare acceptable enough for the game. I also double-check the threads before adding the songs to make sure no one is pushing /SUBJECTIVEMANIAS\ or personal agendas when promoting a file for a JOPNN ME. I'm not personally involved in the judging process because I don't have the time or motivation, not to mention /SUBJECTIVEMANIAS\ talk makes me want to shove my head in an oven while grinding my nuts on broken glass. That's why I rely on you guys that are running the judging system to provide quality files, and only if necessary, I step in (see year of the dragon).

I would never accept a file that has "bypassed the middle man" unless one of two things happen: 1) there are no files ready to be released due to lack of submissions/inactive judges/too much subjectivemanias/etc, 2) it's a very special release...though #2 is no longer going to be the case (thx ball drop).

If you are referring to Extratone Pirates specifically, I actually got Jonny to upload his latest version on SC but I think he deleted it. :(

Don't spam Tiza with a ton of files, he'll feel less inclined to look at them.

I don't look at any file unless I ask the person to send it to me, which I very rarely do. :)

[Jonny]

cmon guy, I ALWAYS ask about JOPNN MEs that are ready to go before adding them in game, and I only take files that you guys declare acceptable enough for the game. I also double-check the threads before adding the songs to make sure no one is pushing /SUBJECTIVEMANIAS\ or personal agendas when promoting a file for a JOPNN ME. I'm not personally involved in the judging process because I don't have the time or motivation, not to mention /SUBJECTIVEMANIAS\ talk makes me want to shove my head in an oven while grinding my nuts on broken glass. That's why I rely on you guys that are running the judging system to provide quality files, and only if necessary, I step in (see year of the dragon).

I would never accept a file that has "bypassed the middle man" unless one of two things happen: 1) there are no files ready to be released due to lack of submissions/inactive judges, 2) it's a very special release...though #2 is no longer going to be the case (thx ball drop).

If you are referring to Extratone Pirates specifically, I actually got Jonny to upload his latest version on SC but I think he deleted it.

1) i was refering to extratone pirates.

2) then u played the file on stepcloud u said it was fine and would be released soon (and had a few accepts on the forums) .

3) number 2 was BEFORE ichlie sent you the file released today. this means u DID have a file ready to go in.

4) the file i uploaded to stepcloud was unchanged since LAST WEEK when u also asked me to upload it to stepcloud, and also said it was fine and that it would be released soon (baring in mind that this file was origionally going to be released on monday gone (when dragon was released) which is why u checked it)

ps. i havent removed it from stepcloud.

[Vote4Nixon]

1) i was refering to extratone pirates.

2) then u played the file on stepcloud u said it was fine and would be released soon (and had a few accepts on the forums) .

3) number 2 was BEFORE ichlie sent you the file released today. this means u DID have a file ready to go in.

4) the file i uploaded to stepcloud was unchanged since LAST WEEK when u also asked me to upload it to stepcloud, and also said it was fine and that it would be released soon (baring in mind that this file was origionally going to be released on monday gone (when dragon was released) which is why u checked it)

ps. i havent removed it from stepcloud.

1) Ok

2) Yes, I saw that it had accepts on the forum, but I also saw in chat that zero/sara asked you to make some changes, which you claimed to have made. I specifically asked you to upload the latest on SC, so at least the other steppers could double-check to make sure you fulfilled their requests. Since you are a prolific TS stepper, I give you the benefit of the doubt that you would make the necessary changes, considering you have done so in the past (to some extent at least), but even so I don't want to override anyone else's judgement unless I have extremely good reason to. Really, I don't want to make this a rigid system where I have to be a nanny and make sure you kids are not yelling at each other about this arrow that part of the notes blah blah blah. When the /SUBJECTIVEMANIAS\ talk in chat gets my blood to a boiling point, I step in and take matters into my own hands.

3) What are you talking about? How does special release relate to sara's file?

4) I said it would be released soon to give me time to look at the file myself, then check the thread to make sure that you made the necessary changes, then hound you if you didn't (like I did with year of the dragon). Like I said, it looked fine to me, but I wanted to make sure the other judges points are taken into account. Why do it myself? Because the chat was getting too abrasive. At any rate, that's why I chose to release Sara's file today and yours later. I've also been really nice to you about extratones, but it seems as if you're taking advantage of that by trying to cast a shadow of doubt on my simfiler and admin abilities.

Overall, this is a highly informal judging system to promote variety and creativity in files, but has some rules in place to ensure quality. Granted there have been a few misjudgments about files, so I'm not trying to imply that I'm perfect. I take full blame for files that I should have not let in game but did anyway (again ball drop -_-).

PS the only extratone on SC is from a while back with only a med and hard so someone deleted it :).

PPS don't test me jonny one, i will pour hot cocoa down your pants :).

PPPS I would also like to add that I'm not ACTUALLY trying to be harsh or threatening...that was for some comedic relief in all this srs bsns :D. In reference to Zero's original comment, I will admit there are some rare cases where I do chime in as a simfiler (not admin) and make a decision to release a file even if it isn't fully agreed upon. Ex. if two judges like a file and two judges don't, I'll weigh out the comments and play it myself, then use my decision as a tie breaker.

If you guys truly feel that any of my decisions are putting a question to the validity of the judging system, then let me know, and I'll be sure to be more careful.

[Jonny]

3) What are you talking about? How does special release relate to sara's file?

sorry, i was refering to number 2 on my list (aka you checked my file on stepcloud and said it was ok BEFORE she sent you her file)

I've also been really nice to you about extratones, but it seems as if you're taking advantage of that by trying to cast a shadow of doubt on my simfiler and admin abilities.

dont understand this comment, explain how u have been "really nice" about a file i submitted and how im taking advantage of you.

PS the only extratone on SC is from a while back with only a med and hard so someone deleted it :).

no, i have uploaded many version of my new extratone file, the one with 2 files is from months ago when stepcloud first opened, i decided not to delete it (dunno why). there have been many newer versions on stepcloud with all 4 files on.

edit: apparently i did delete that file u asked me to upload, but that was after u told me u had played it and that u were fine with it... u then asked me where i find these songs (just to refresh your memory incase u forgot that u played it) ;)

i removed it because i assumed it was going to be the next file in, after u said it was ok, as i do with all my stepcloud files when they make it ingame.

also, i think zeros comment (and my origional comment) was aimed at the fact that the new song DIDNT appear on the forum at all. and then my extra bit (which zero probs dosent care about ;P ) is that my file was accepted (and u said it was fine wen u asked me to upload it) and a file which hasnt even appeared on the forum gets added over it.

[Vote4Nixon]

OMGZ JOPNN ME, go check stepcloud now. I realize you have uploaded many extratone pirates, trust me, I understand. But I am on the StepCloud main page hitting Ctrl+F to search for "extratone pirates" and only getting one result, which is definitely not your latest. I also went to the original thread: http://thirdstyle.com/forum/showthre...nny)-18-1-2012. Click any of the Play links and you will see 404. This means SOMEONE (not saying you) deleted it.

also, i think zeros comment (and my origional comment) was aimed at the fact that the new song DIDNT appear on the forum at all. and then my extra bit (which zero probs dosent care about ;P ) is that my file was accepted (and u said it was fine wen u asked me to upload it) and a file which hasnt even appeared on the forum gets added over it.

Ahh, gotcha. Twinkle Star was in SC and when I asked in chat, multiple people said they liked it. I even asked twice about all the available JOPNN MEs that day :(.

I guess that's a convo for me and Zero then. Again, I try to be nice and lenient, giving step authors the least amount of headache/overhead with a judging system because I understand very much so what it's like to be frustrated with that process, but if I've gone too far and either compromised quality or subjugated anyone's authority, then let me know.

[Zero]

Stuff regarding simfiles and crap

1 - More simfile authors need to contribute to reviews, this means actually good reviews or decently thought out... No bitching out and just doing hard because you are lazy, or doing comments that have no constructive criticism what so over which has been done on a few occasions
2 - When fixes are requested, and the simfile author does not make those fixes there should be a reason or an explanation to why things were not changed... This would save a lot of complaints when it comes to jonny files were he does like 30% of request fixes. And the updated file should be posted on the forum
3 - I do not mind if Tiza comes in to be a deciding vote, i just want holiday/special releases to go be less spontaneous and at least have the file done a couple of days before the planned released so it can be looked at and not have another ball drop
4 - I know we do not have a queue, but if file 1 is accepted and file 2 is accepted, i do believe 1 should go in before 2, unless 1 is saved for an event, 1 is from the recent stepartist on TS (no Jonny Jonny Jonny Jonny), or for some other circumstances. But if 1 is accepted and is asked for changes and 2 is accepted without changes required, 2 can go in before 1.
5 - If it is possible to open stepcloud (if possible just clear all stepcloud upon release or most of it) we could gather a community vote if there is a standstill between the staff. If there happens to be a standstill between the community and staff, Tiza could pop in once again

[Vote4Nixon]

Agreed on all points.

On a lighter note, about tebukuro nailing the file for free...

So, when I added the song to the store, silly me forgot to add the price and I immediately went O SHI- and fixed it. In literally the 5 second interval that the song was available for 0 SP, tebu snatched it LOL. At first I thought of notifying him and then adjusting his SP, BUT grabbing twinkle star for free was quite an accomplishment. So, I updated his purchase to take away 125 SP from him, but then sent him 125 SP from the bank of Tiza just because of how awesome he is :D.

[ichliebekase]

^
That still makes me laugh xD

[Shiki]

1. I agree.
2. I also agree.
3. It's up to the admin honestly. A good file can be rushed in. If it is good.
4. I agree. I dont want to see Jonny Jonny Jonny Jonny.
5. I think there should be a seperate cloud space. "voteCloud" Where one file is put up for a short period of time to give the community a chance to vote up or down. Potential problem is with trolling (likes and dislikes on youtube) The reason i support this is. I've recieved a lot of positive feedback from the community. But a lot of negative feedback from simfilers about rivers and streams. Because the file is lacking layering. With just straight stream.

[tebukuro]

O_O
I did'nt even notice.

[Vote4Nixon]

O_O
I did'nt even notice.

No worries dude, this is why you are OVERLORD OF TS.